Short Summary: A detailed examination of shamanism with anthropologist Manvir Singh, blending evolutionary theory and vivid storytelling.
About the guest: Manvir Singh, PhD is an anthropologist at the University of California, Davis. His new book, "Shamanism: The Timeless Religion," comes out on May 25, 2025.
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Episode Summary: Dr. Manvir Singh discusses shamanism’s role as a universal human practice, exploring its roots in cultural evolution, cognitive tendencies, and persistence across history and modern society. They discuss how shamans use altered states to address uncertainty—like healing or divination—while examining shamanism’s interplay with centralized religion, its psychological benefits, and parallels in today’s world, from tech gurus to medical placebos.
Key Takeaways:
Shamanism is a widespread cultural practice involving specialists who enter altered states to engage with unseen forces, often for healing or managing uncertainty.
It’s not an archaic precursor to modern religion but a recurring expression of spiritual beliefs & practices, competing with other forms.
Techniques vary widely—dance, music, psychedelics—but only about half of shamans historically used psychoactive substances.
Modern parallels include tech CEOs and money managers who project exceptionalism to influence others, echoing shamanic charisma without trance.
Open-label placebos (where patients know it’s fake) still work, suggesting rituals alone can trigger healing, much like shamanic practices.
Singh sees shamanism as a cognitive technology, not inherently good or bad, shaping how we cope with chaos across cultures and time.
Related episode:
M&M #86: Shamanism, Psychedelics, Social Behavior, Religion & Evolution of Human Culture | Michael Winkelman
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Episode transcript below.
Episode Chapters:
00:00:00 Intro
00:05:24 Defining Religion and Shamanism
00:10:29 Shamanism vs. Modern Religion
00:15:33 Centralized vs. Decentralized Religion
00:20:00 Becoming a Shaman
00:25:56 Modern Shamanic Parallels
00:30:05 Traditional Shamanic Practices
00:35:08 Healing and Divination
00:40:44 Psychological Roots of Shamanism
00:46:25 Narratives and Rituals
00:50:42 Power Dynamics in Religion
00:56:02 Jesus as a Shaman
01:01:25 Neo-Shamanism Today
01:06:11 Shamanism as Cognitive Technology
01:10:01 Placebos and Healing
01:15:45 Terence McKenna and Psychedelics
01:20:36 Modern Divination Analogies
01:25:20 Religion and AI
01:30:53 Witchcraft and Social Dynamics
01:35:54 Music and Myths
01:41:03 Anthropology and the Book
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